S E A R C H ( wut r u lookng fr)

Saturday, September 20, 2025

Chad Roger Waters vs. Virgin Thom Yorke

A Bad Joke

Two British musicians and the entire internet walk into a bar socratic dialogue on a blog.
The punchline, you ask?
Genocide in Gaza.
Not much of a joke, I guess.
Maybe a bad joke, or a dirty one...

....

Thom Yorke:

"I don't care!!!!!!!!!! All you people ever fucking talk about is 
oooooh killing children is bad, ooo think of the families' guess what I don't fucking care. Let me play my bass with smile and fuck off btw no more LP10" - Thom Yorke, 2025





The Internet: 'Radiohead isn't Pro-Palestine? WTF?'

Roger Waters:

"There are a huge number of fans of Radiohead who think or thought - and I'm not saying they're wrong - that the music and the writing and the creep [Yorke?] is cutting edge, blah, blah, blah, and that somehow he was part of the resistance against big brother" (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VityDbfoOg4).
 - Roger Waters 2025

So the internet is somewhat surprised to find Thom Yorke and Radiohead are not Pro-Palestine. Roger Waters is not - nor am I.

Brief History of Waters v. Yorke

This is old news, though. 

A few years ago Roger Waters collaborated with long time Radiohead producer Nigel Godrich for his anti-Trump solo album 'Is this the life We Really Want' which quickly lead to Waters asking Yorke in a letter to boycott playing Israel and use his voice, audience, and influence to denounce Israel's behavior towards Palestine. Thom denied the request and was less than friendly in the letter exchange which you can go read here for yourself.

Recently, Waters reignited his disagreement with Yorke and Radiohead by stating (see the pull quote above) that Radiohead fans would assume Radiohead a vanguard of the working class and revolutionary left, etc. and yet be very wrong in assuming so. This mistake is - as Waters points out and as any consumer of Radiohead can understand -  is not without reason given Radiohead's anti-consumerist, 'anti-capitalist, anti-Bush, anti-War messaging, aesthetic, and social commentary displayed throughout the years.

Despite this - and not trying to be a 20/20 know-it-all here! -  I wasn't surprised by any of these developments as this position has been consistent in the music since the debut of the band. 

Let's take a look.

A Decade of Radiohead's Milquetoast Liberal Escapism: '93-'03

"Destiny protect me from the world...and if London burns I'll be standing on the beach with my guitar."
    -Anyone Can Play Guitar, Pablo Honey 1993

"I wish it was the 60s, I wish I could be happy, I wish that something would happen"
    -The Bends, The Bends 1995

"I'll take a quiet life, a hand shake of carbon monoxide, no alarms and no surprises...such a pretty house, such a pretty garden..."
    - No Surprises, Ok Computer 1997

"Who's in a bunker, take the money and run, take the money..."
    - Ideoteque, Kid A 2000

"...lay me down in a bunker underground, I won't let this happen to my children. Meet the real world, coming out of your shell"
    - I Will, All Hail to the Thief 2003

London's burning, Thom - well, Gaza anyways...
And it's not the 60s - or the 90s - anymore, it's 2025 and something is happening (Thom the original 'nothing ever happens' Chudjak?), and it's a genocide. Yes, you have indeed taken the handshake and the pretty garden, haven't you, Thom? You've taken the money and run, holed up in your bunker.

I'm a fan of Radiohead's music, and again I'm not surprised. I've always maintained Radiohead is somewhat...not lefty. Or, rather, I've always imagined their social critique a shallow one that's more about Thom's personal experience of the world and not so much about real consistent political worldviews, beliefs, or material analysis.

If we look at the song lyrics across the discography we see consistent themes of sleep, taking the easy way out, and avoiding challenging conflict through withdrawal. 

The whole critique of consumerism, capitalism, the disconnected, inhumane nature of the modern world, etc., is just a socio-collective facade for a much more individualistic fantasy of escapism - a symbolic social narrative  for a all too personal emotional story of resentment. 

A tell-tale sign of any faux critique is the target and practice of the critique. The targets of Radiohead's would-be political critiques have often been low-stakes such as George Bush and Tony Blair, or Spotify and Youtube. Everyone on the left and right has made fun of or criticized these two guys and those two corporations without getting fired from their day jobs. The practice has always been less than radical or scary - writing songs that make Radiohead millions of dollars.

In Pablo Honey, Thom tells us he'd focus on playing guitar as London burned. In other words, the occurrences of the outside world will not interfere with his solipsistic art making. Here, art is separated from the material base that would make it, as Guattari would say, machinic or molecular (actually do something) and therefore revolutionary. For Thom, art is not something that comes from London burning, it is something outside the reality or political situation that is done to avoid the reality of London burning. London burning gets in the way of Thom's song, it obstructs his art. This is a far cry from the image of the folk singer-guitarist wielding their acoustic guitar like a weapon, refusing to disengage with the world, and instead using their voice - literally or figuratively - to amplify the important issues of the times. 

In The Bends, Thom tells us he wishes it was the 60s. One may imagine two versions of the 60s liberatory, hippies - one as losers who turned away from real political action to have sex and do drugs, and one as a revolutionary force of change in society. We shouldn't be so black and white, and we should acknowledge the level of CIA counter intelligence at play here in both versions, but regardless, it may be fair to say that both populations of 'hippies' likely existed. Thom is likely nostalgic - already what many would consider a reactionary tendency - for the former type, the hedonistic withdrawing loser who avoids true political conflict through 'peace and love' sex and drugs, etc. That, or he maintains the fantasy that he is the latter through renunciation - this would be even stranger (Thom is not doing sex and drugs, that is true, but he is escaping the world, not encountering it). 

In Ok Computer he literally tells us he would like a simple life, the house and the wife, the green lawn and white picket fence, all tucked away from the chaos of the modern world - even if it meant making a deal with the devil. This is the faustian deal capitalism offers us - the quiet, complacent life of a placated consumer who does not worry about politics or genocide but in turn must be complicit with the evil, or the riskier choice of fighting for no tangible immediate reward, and only the slim possibility of a deferred change. We must of course be heroes and take the latter. For an example see characters like Cypher in The Matrix.

If we were more generous, we would say Thom is simply voicing what Guattari might frame as 'his unconscious desire to be a fascist,' or what a behaviorist would call 'conflict avoidance,' and as such, it is not an actual endorsement of true world views. This could be plausible if not for Thom literally telling us a few weeks ago he does not care about the dying children or families and just wishes to play his bass in peace. Finally, though Thom does suggest that we "bring down the government, they don't speak for us," he immediately disavows the radical nature of this in the next line when he sings "I'll take a quiet life, a handshake of carbon monoxide." 

Ok Computer is about individual feelings of depressive or neuro-atypitcal overwhelmedness followed by schizophrenic withdrawal from the world. This is best exemplified by Climbing Up The Walls. I will not elaborate, listen to the song, and look into the psychotic break Thom had when writing the album. As Deleuze and Guattari have mentioned, or as Nick Land has shown us, schizophrenic collapse, if not properly navigated, can lead to a doubling down of conservative old-man behavior.

It seems Thom might've wrote the lyrics to Ok Computer B-Side 'A Reminder' as if he knew about this Deleuzo-Guattarian schiz-retteritorialization; as if he knew he would grow to become that conservative old man and would need a 'reminder' of his values.

"If I get old, I will not give in
And if I do, remind me of this
Remind me that once I was free
Once I was clear, once I was lean
And if I sit down and cross my arms
Hold me to this song

Knock me out
Smash out my brains
If I take a chair
And start to talk shit

If I get old, remind me of this
The way that we kissed and that I really meant it
Whatever happens, if we're still speaking
Pick up the phone, play me this song"


If Ok Computer is the first onset of schizophrenic collapse, with its dry sarcasm, social critique, and blend of traditional instruments and electronic manipulation, then Kid A is the full on psychotic break into no man's land. It's about depression, trauma, distance, dissociation, darkness, paranoid fantasies of ghosts haunting, etc. It's a less rosy, dreamy form of escape, more of a nightmare.

Ideotqeue is about the fear of nuclear war destroying Thom and his family, and how he would cut a deal to save himself -  'who's in a bunker, take the money and run.'

Amnesiac reflects the sleep theme, and continues the mild political critique - Like Spinning Plates is about political lies.

Interestingly enough, the same musical composition for Like Spinning Plates (chord progressions and melody) is reused on All Hail to Thief track I Will which is about taking your family and hiding them in a bunker to protect from nuclear holocaust. Some of the lyrics seem recycled from Ideoteque as well.

All Hail to the Thief feigns the most political messaging with its overt, on the nose track '2+2=5' and its narrative of being 'anti Bush War on terror' or whatever. According to the internet (Wiki, duh), the album artwork is interpreted as a possible depiction of Bush's plan for peace in the Middle East, specifically between Israel and Palestine. Read that last bit again - wow!

Meanwhile, In Rainbows is a purely romantic album, right down to its chord progressions. It has no political tones. It is pure Radiohead at its most escapist (it's a great album).

King of Limbs sucks, I don't even care what's going in there.

A Moon shaped Pool is a romantic album with minor political tones and messages, we don't need to discuss it.

Again, reflecting on the general oeuvre of Radiohead's lyrics, we can watch how themes of struggling to understand social situations or people (Creep, Ripcord), failing to compete with or understand difference in others and miring in resentment (How Do You, High and Dry), the pressure of the outside world and inability to meet the expectations of society (Street Spirit Fade Out) turn into a quasi-revolutionary critiques of the modern techno world (Fake Plastic Trees, My Iron Lung, all of OK Computer, All Hail to the Thief, and some of Kid A, etc.).

The nail in the coffin is that this doesn't all end when we take Thom Yorke out of Radiohead. Thom Yorke side-project Atoms For Peace presents an interesting semiotic / historical irony - the title of the band is lifted from the government program and Cold War propaganda strategy of the Eisenhower administration that directly contributed to the building of nuclear reactors in countries such as America, Pakistan, and - wait for it - Israel. The aim was to surround nuclear weaponry by a political narrative of hopes and fears to make nuclear weapons seem more marketable. 

Chad Waters vs. Virgin Yorke

I just want to take a minute to compare Roger Water's politics and music to Yorke's.

Water's political activism has always been consistent - reality or material based, anti-imperial, anti-fascist, etc., active (as opposed to reactive) and 'not woke' (I am not endorsing a woke or anti-woke position here, just making an observation...).

Water's, whose father died in WWII leaving him resentful towards the way governments treat people as disposable, engages with the real horrors of war, political violence, etc., does not avoid them with his music. He fantasizes about using his money and power to save people and does it all while ironically using lesser slurs and being somewhat sleazy towards woman. Not necessarily endorsing this, but he is uncompromising in his personality as he speaks out against the horrors of the world (he brought up a bunch of black kids up on stage to sing the chorus of Another Brick in the Wall Pt 2, flashing a large sign stating 'Trans Lives Matter' the last time I saw him...).

Water's is kind of a Neo-liberal cowboy. He wants to fly refuges to safety in his private jet, he mocks Margaret Thatcher, he is dry and sarcastic. He turns towards the world while Yorke turns away.

Anyways, hope this was somewhat interesting to read for some of you folks...